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Old 5 February 2007, 16:37
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Unfortunately the Va rep at TAMU is giving the ten year answer to everything. They see EAS as EAS....when you tell them you went back in and EAS'ed again, they look at you like you have a dick growing out of your forehead. I recieved a denial from the VA. A call and a long wait on the 800 number this morning reconfirmed my denial, which was based on my EAS of 01 / 1995 + 10 years = no MGIB Chapter 30 after 01 / 2005. According to them being activated and on active duty has no bearing on the issue. It would be nice if they were wrong, I am sure that have been in the past. I have completed my response letter and sent it in.
Does the GI bill offer better benefit to you than the Hazelwood exemption? - I would be surprised, if you are a full-time student.
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Old 5 February 2007, 17:59
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I am in the VocRehab program. Let me clear some things up.

(1) You need to be rated at 30% or more to be eligible.

(2) Dependant on your VocRehab plan, they will pay for a graduate degree if it fits the needs of suitable employment for your field.

They pay for EVERYTHING as it relates to your program, down to the pencils. You are eligible for $25k/year of benefits unless your program requires more; at which time it can be upped if approved by higher-up VA peeps.

What I want to know is... can I use the GI Bill after I am done with VocRehab?
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Old 5 February 2007, 20:25
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Does the GI bill offer better benefit to you than the Hazelwood exemption? - I would be surprised, if you are a full-time student.
No. Hazelwood is much better IMO. You dont get the check in the mail. You wont get over paid. At UTA, TT and WTAMU everything is done in the FA office and all your books are simply signed for. Very easy and simple. Makes you wonder why MGIB cant be that simple.

Hazelwood says you must have exhausted your MGIB before you can use their funds...unless you take an out of degree plan course. Now that my "buy before date" has passed with the VA, Hazelwood has picked me up. Best part is.....Hazelwood is for life....God Bless Texas..!!!
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Old 5 February 2007, 20:46
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Get your Congressional Representative involved. The VA finds all sorts of solutions when Congressional staff call.
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Old 5 February 2007, 21:09
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Get your Congressional Representative involved. The VA finds all sorts of solutions when Congressional staff call.

That's calling in the big guns...
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Old 6 February 2007, 01:19
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No. Hazelwood is much better IMO.
I figured such...in every instance I had heard about, it was better for vets to use Hazelwood. In my case, however, the VA automatically extended my benefits thanks to some deployments...despite begging them not to do so, after explaining the HA. So instead of having my whole tuition and fees paid, I got the monthly check....
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Old 6 February 2007, 07:10
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I am in the VocRehab program. Let me clear some things up.

(1) You need to be rated at 30% or more to be eligible.

(2) Dependant on your VocRehab plan, they will pay for a graduate degree if it fits the needs of suitable employment for your field.

They pay for EVERYTHING as it relates to your program, down to the pencils. You are eligible for $25k/year of benefits unless your program requires more; at which time it can be upped if approved by higher-up VA peeps.

What I want to know is... can I use the GI Bill after I am done with VocRehab?
No.. as soon as you start pulling from Voc Rehab, you're considered to be "pulling" from GI Bill. You can only use one or other other.. If you use 7 months of Voc Rehab, you've used 7 months of GI Bill, too. If you use 20 months of GI Bill, you've used 20 months of Voc Rehab.

Also.. I went quite deep and was specifically informed that I could not receive a graduate degree from them, only undergraduate. They are there to get you into a career field, not advance you in one. I informed them that my current position inflames my injuries and I was told "That's fine, we'll give you journeyman experience somewhere else, but you have to quit your job".. otherwise, there was nothing they could do for me..

Did you hear that they would at your own briefing, CV? I'm curious as to who is putting out what information and where I can find regulations..
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Old 6 February 2007, 07:14
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Mav,

You bug them enough and you can get just about anything. I know someone who got a degree in Art History via Vocab.
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Old 6 February 2007, 08:58
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Yep. For me this was a $10,000.00 mistake. Never got to spend a penny of it because I didn't know it, which I'm sure is why they dont tell you.
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Old 6 February 2007, 10:47
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Mav, I was told that if my career choice required a Masters, that I could go for that. As in, if I was going to be a therapist or something. But because I am IT, they will only push towards a Bachelors.

Now, that being said. There are ways to work around the system. You can work your ass off to get as many credits done as possible and stop 1 or 2 classes from graduation. At that point just start working on graduate level courses until you are a semester out from your 48 months of VocRehab benefits being over. Then take those last courses and get your degree.

Its shitty you have to think this way, but its the only work around I know of.

I plan to use the 48 months of benefits with VocRehab then switch over to GI Bill.

What are the benefits of VocRehab then? I am confused if it is the same as the GI Bill.
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Old 6 February 2007, 16:08
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I was specifically told that if you use 36 months of VocRehab, that you have used up any GIBill benefits, as well. You can only use one or the other.. one gives you 48 months in a 12 year period and the other gives you 36 months in a 10 year period...

I have it written down from them, too... if it's wrong, I can bring it back, but per the PhD that was talking to us (who is a VocRehab Counsellor) the paperwork was given to us as verification of the truth and that covers their ass and my ass to make sure I get all the benefits I'm allowed to...

CV: that's what I was told, too.. they said that becaues I'm not entry level by any means (I'm the Senior SysAd for all ARSOF on a DoD Net), that they have nothing to offer me.. I told them that to be in a position that wouldn't inflame my injuries, I planned on going IA... well.. to be competitive in IA, I need both certifications AND a Master's (as most good IA degrees are only at the Graduate level)... and they said there was really no way.. I'm already in.. they MIGHT be able to help me out to get my Master's, BUT.. I'd have to prove that it inflamed my injuries AND have to quit my job (otherwise it would negate the entire purpose for the program)...

Greenhat: I'll call them, then.. the only person I'm good at nagging is my husband, unfortunately... we'll see how well talents can be reapplied, lol
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Old 6 February 2007, 16:21
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GI Bill, or Chapter 31:

Allotment is granted on a basis of hours/credits taken a semester. If you go part time, you're essentially losing money that would otherwise be offered. It is valid for 10 years post Armed Forces separation (with an Honorable Discharge), but will only be paid out for a total of 36 months. You can have a full time job, whatever. No stipulations and you're allowed any degree you want, pretty much, and most colleges are authorized (They won't let you go to a crappy school, pretty much)...

Voc Rehab (Chap 30):

Designed to get disabled vets into career fields. Designed for entry-level or journeyman level. They'll put you on one of five "Tracks", depending on what works.. from OJT, to education... and one of the five is Assisted Living.. for people who must have assistance to live (ie wheelchair, cannot function on their own, etc). Another is Self-Employment, where they guide you through the process to start your own business. I believe the last one is about finding you a new career field that doesn't inflame your injuries... they'll fund you in what you need to start a new career field. They'll help with resume writing, job searching, interviews, etc.. I believe on of the sub-tasks of the five tracks is talking to your employer about ways to accomodate you in your previous career field, so you can still do it. The example was a lady who was IT.. she was Reserve, activated, and severely injured her arm somehow and was unable to use it... so, Voc Rehab worked with her employer on buying a Voice-Recognition program so she could still perform her duties.

I have the document at home and will pull it up when I have a chance..

This is what I was told... however, as the good PhD said at the briefing: It is best to take a peek at everything you are entitled/eligible for because it's amazing what opportunities are out there for vets, especially veterans with disabilities... So I'd recommend everyone who is eligible to go talk to a Voc Rehab Counsellor.. just give it a shot.

I was told on many occassions during the briefing that you cannot use Chp 30 and then Chp 31 OR Chp 31 and then Chp 30. They are depleted by each other. Use 31 and you've used up your eligibility for 30.. and vice versa.
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Old 6 February 2007, 16:21
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Vocational Rehab is for entry level stuff, only, unfortunately, and in the end, pays less than someone with a more than entry level position, already, when compared to GI Bill..

I just got back from my briefing this past week... they will not pay for a Master's Degree or anything above basic entry level/journeyman level training.
Sounds much like the deal being offered here in Oregon. The State will cover up to $40K to "supplement" (right.... no "double-dipping" allowed!) whatever the VA offers, but only for a vocational certificate or an initial baccalaureate degree at an Oregon institution. Additional baccalaureates, graduate work of any kind, and/or anything at any level that's only available out-of-state is an absolute no-go.
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Old 6 February 2007, 21:30
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I qualified for VocRehab at 20% diasabled. I think alot of what you get is dependent on the people supplying you with the correct info.

One guys rep will hook up a vet better than another. Down in Texas for the most part the VA and the DAV do a pretty good job. I got friends in Florida for example who either are not talking to the right reps or the system out there is being run different.

Hazelwood in Texas is an outstanding program. If you qualify for that and GIbill the sky is the limit on where you can take your self.
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