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Old 28 February 2020, 22:34
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I think it might be Warren?
If Bernies has enough delegates and outright primary wins that the DNC can't take the nomination away from him without utter chaos but not enough to win outright I expect his VP will be a compromise- a nice "moderate" democrat to temper his socialism and appeal to the voters who would otherwise be turned off by a 78 year old socialit running for President: "Well...he is 78 and already had one heart attack...his VP seems like a much better choice so I'll pull the lever for the Bernster anyway...he probably won't last 4 years and after all...OrangeMan Bad!"

Or he'll pick a POS from the same cut of cloth. Hard to say.
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Old 28 February 2020, 22:41
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If Bernies has enough delegates and outright primary wins that the DNC can't take the nomination away from him without utter chaos but not enough to win outright I expect his VP will be a compromise- a nice "moderate" democrat to temper his socialism and appeal to the voters who would otherwise be turned off by a 78 year old socialit running for President: "Well...he is 78 and already had one heart attack...his VP seems like a much better choice so I'll pull the lever for the Bernster anyway...he probably won't last 4 years and after all...OrangeMan Bad!"
Pretty much what I was thinking. Perhaps.....Mayor Pete
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Old 28 February 2020, 22:43
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Maybe the word for Bernie is "unwavering" or "consistent".

I wouldn't use "integrity" to describe BS.

He's fed from the same trough that he rails against.

He cries against economic inequality but both he and his wife have used those same tools to enrich themselves.

Actually, if he really believes the shit he's spewing, he and his supporters would be in the 70% tax bracket, because "equality", yo...
Yep...I simply call him a consistent hypocrite....
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Old 28 February 2020, 23:13
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So then what else is your explanation for individuals in a free-thinking democratic society that support Bernie? One might say common sense would prevail given his background....bit it turns out its not so common. I mean come on, he is a radical self-admitting communist. What is the true rationale for his support?
I don't know, maybe we can figure it out.

I am just getting spun up on this I never listened or paid any attention to him before this debate whatsoever.

I listened to Joe Rogan posted on Feb 27 "Why Bernie Has the Establishment Running Scared" on his podcast/Youtube and what I hear on there echoes common themes for his backers.
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Old 29 February 2020, 01:08
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As an Independent, Sanders should run as an Independent.
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Old 29 February 2020, 01:12
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There is not any explanation of why he's popular in your post and yet, he is. I guess that makes sense to you, but doesn't add up to me. If your outlook on about half the country is they are stupid or evil ok, I got it.
NO, 1/2 the country has been brainwashed to think the govt is their personal sugar daddy, and they're entitled to free shit.
Just because 1/2 the country likes him, don't make him right.
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Old 29 February 2020, 01:54
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Old 29 February 2020, 01:59
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Has there been any stats released on rally attendance for the different candidates?

I've only seen Warren in a bowling alley with a handful of bored seniors.

Sanders always seems to have the same 20-30 people directly behind him in close-up shots. Haven't seen a wide-angle image yet.

Then there's the constant images of POTUS Trump filling football stadiums....

So am wondering if there's any official figures of people attending these events?
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Old 29 February 2020, 06:34
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There is not any explanation of why he's popular in your post and yet, he is.
He's popular, because most Americans are f'n stupid. Especially the lazy ass Millennial's and Gen Z'ers who don't want to (insert almost anything our grandparents, parents, and ourselves had to do, to be successful) - and want to just get paid for holding things up on Instagram. I mean seriously bud, as a whole, we're fucking dumb and lazy.

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Old 29 February 2020, 08:57
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You said "and he knows his proposals can't be funded", I believe they feel it can be and if it turns out not, then only doing what we already been doing for 20 years.
I said it in the context of he is going to initiate a huge tax increase and nationalize business to fund them. He knows he can't fund a thing unless he does this, but hides it.

Not even remotely close to what has been done in last 20 years. Big difference in a large deficit and him turning us into socialist country where he and his ilk benefit and everyone else suffers.
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Old 29 February 2020, 09:09
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Has there been any stats released on rally attendance for the different candidates?

I've only seen Warren in a bowling alley with a handful of bored seniors.

Sanders always seems to have the same 20-30 people directly behind him in close-up shots. Haven't seen a wide-angle image yet.

Then there's the constant images of POTUS Trump filling football stadiums....

So am wondering if there's any official figures of people attending these events?
It all depends on the location. I don’t think rally attendance means a whole lot, especially if you’re not comparing rally’s in the same location.
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Old 29 February 2020, 10:17
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He's popular, because most Americans are f'n stupid. Especially the lazy ass Millennial's and Gen Z'ers who don't want to (insert almost anything our grandparents, parents, and ourselves had to do, to be successful) - and want to just get paid for holding things up on Instagram. I mean seriously bud, as a whole, we're fucking dumb and lazy.
That’s a broad generalization and your quote also is not necessarily a correlated. You would be remiss to not recognize that our grandparents had one of the best economic times in America following WWII. As the only nation with great natural resources and the only intact manufacturing base on earth may have lead great success. Also, the “greatest generation” and the Boomers are also the ones who shipped those manufacturing jobs overseas, as well as let in the Mongrel birds of cheap labor, compacting the market.

As far as getting fatter, yeah. We eat more additives than previous generations and have less active jobs, cause computers. So it’s not all “lazy”. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Old 29 February 2020, 11:10
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Challenging the sense of "fair play" is a huge motivator. Trump used it effectively against "elites" and even curtailed free markets without too much objection using that wedge, I see Bernie using the same techniques.

If you can be made to believe there is someone preventing the world from working correctly and cheating or gaming (elites, 1%, swamp, MSM, big pharma/industry, deep state, globalists) then any action taken to remedy that can be looked at as necessary or positive.

American's sense of fair play is definitely in play.
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Old 29 February 2020, 11:45
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That’s a broad generalization and your quote also is not necessarily a correlated.

As far as getting fatter, yeah. We eat more additives than previous generations and have less active jobs, cause computers. So it’s not all “lazy”. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I know what I see with my my own eyes, and hear with my own ears - including intel reports from a current Freshman at College/University.

I know you're a big fan of the recent generations, based on your proximity to current employees of that generation - be careful not to reverse generalize. I have no doubt there are still a ton of "good ones" out there - to fill the ranks of various hard charging organizations - but if you were able to get exact numbers, I would shocked if they were equivalent to when you and I were that age.

Your second part is a little "It's not my fault because..." 'ish. It is laziness, says the former 300lb fat lazy slob. Go do a HIIT workout, and eat a Turkey on Wholegrain, during your lunch hour. I will give you that a lack of education may be at play, as far as energy balance, macros, etc... but there's this thing called Google now - hopefully looked up while walking - during lunch.

I have no clue about your Post WWII Boomer Immigration stuff - I'm not that smart. But hey, my "Opinions are like Assholes" talks, aren't well attended anyway
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Old 29 February 2020, 11:55
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He's popular, because most Americans are f'n stupid. Especially the lazy ass Millennial's and Gen Z'ers who don't want to (insert almost anything our grandparents, parents, and ourselves had to do, to be successful) - and want to just get paid for holding things up on Instagram. I mean seriously bud, as a whole, we're fucking dumb and lazy.
ha ha, I completely understand this but I just think still missing the mark. Lot of people and not just Gen- or whatever Gen you insert don't know what to do in post millennial economy.
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Old 29 February 2020, 12:05
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ha ha, I completely understand this but I just think still missing the mark. Lot of people and not just Gen- or whatever Gen you insert don't know what to do in post millennial economy.
Oh, don't get me wrong - who raised the them? We did. I don't get it either - maybe we've always been outnumbered? I was 24 when the Pot smoking, Sax playing, Boxer wearer was elected

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Old 29 February 2020, 21:09
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As far as getting fatter, yeah. We eat more additives than previous generations and have less active jobs, cause computers. So it’s not all “lazy”. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
It's because we stopped letting children smoke...
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Challenging the sense of "fair play" is a huge motivator. Trump used it effectively against "elites" and even curtailed free markets without too much objection using that wedge, I see Bernie using the same techniques.

If you can be made to believe there is someone preventing the world from working correctly and cheating or gaming (elites, 1%, swamp, MSM, big pharma/industry, deep state, globalists) then any action taken to remedy that can be looked at as necessary or positive.

American's sense of fair play is definitely in play.
Your analysis over the past few posts reads really solidly from my observation point inside the universities. Students are more excited about Sanders, but the professors I've spoken with do not like him. Their opposition is not ideological -- they are liberals, sometimes hard liberals, and point to the same core concerns like health care. Their opposition comes, it seems, from simply life experience. They know that there are financial realities that make Sanders' socialism and his promises impossible. They know that national problems are complex, not simple, and do not resolve with the simplistic solutions that Sanders proposes. Most enjoyable is hearing them point out that free college would be a nightmare if implemented. Now if I can just get them to understand the unfunded pensions problem...

I'm reminded of the original requirement that the Founders had for the franchise: you had to have assets, property (most likely) or something else that was worth something, so that you had a stake in the financial consequences of the choices for who would run things. Political power for those who would be taxed to pay for the military power of the nation was an important innovation from Europe that the Founders grabbed onto tightly.
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