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Old 12 May 2019, 16:20
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In doing some family genealogy, I came across a photo of a great uncle in uniform with a badge on the sleeve. I have his WWI & WWII draft registration cards but I don't know if he was actually in the service or not so any information is greatly appreciated. TIA

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Old 12 May 2019, 18:41
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Have you inquired of the National Archives about his service record? You can do that online.
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Old 13 May 2019, 18:10
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Have you inquired of the National Archives about his service record? You can do that online.

Haven't had a chance yet but thank you for the reminder.
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Old 13 May 2019, 18:42
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What state did he live in. The uniform looks WW1 era. A lot of the units back then were regional.
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Old 13 May 2019, 20:36
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How about 90th ID, the Tough 'Ombres, or Texas-Oklahoma Division?
Stood up 1917, served in France in WW1, multiple theaters in WW2.

That flash could be a stylized version of theirs.
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Old 13 May 2019, 21:35
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How about 90th ID, the Tough 'Ombres, or Texas-Oklahoma Division?
Stood up 1917, served in France in WW1, multiple theaters in WW2.

That flash could be a stylized version of theirs.
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This is the sort of thing that intrigues me, so I did some Google-fu when tova first posted. I found a few different WWI patches that were somewhat similar. I suspect that you are correct, and this is a "local" reproduction of a unit patch.
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Old 13 May 2019, 22:01
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This is the sort of thing that intrigues me, so I did some Google-fu when tova first posted. I found a few different WWI patches that were somewhat similar. I suspect that you are correct, and this is a "local" reproduction of a unit patch.
I did some googling too and pulled a blank. What I noticed though is that, when you have a closer look at the picture, there's something else underneath the obvious white lines. It looks like bicolored "2", similar to the 2nd Army patch.
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Old 15 May 2019, 07:03
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Haven't had a chance yet but thank you for the reminder.
There are published books with collections of patches that are available. This one defied my 30 minute exploration of the usual online sources. The service jacket will help enormously. There was a lot more variation than we are used to today in these shoulder patches, and his does not line up with either a divisional patch or a corps/army patch from my initial view. He could be part of the Service of Supply, so in a unit that doesn't catch a lot of attention (the way the 3rd ID patch does, for example). Or, it could be an interesting pre-war NG patch.
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I spent a good 45 minutes looking through some obscure resources. No idea what unit this is, but agree it is likely a state unit, and from WWI.
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He registered for the WWI draft in Wichita City no 2, Kansas (per his draft card). He was born in Missouri. I really appreciate everyone's feedback on this as it gives me more avenues to explore.
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Old 15 May 2019, 15:02
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He registered for the WWI draft in Wichita City no 2, Kansas (per his draft card). He was born in Missouri. I really appreciate everyone's feedback on this as it gives me more avenues to explore.
Might want to did through here.

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What little bit of the patch visible here is similar. Musician. The “lyre” symbol on your great uncle’s uniform appears to be distorted by folds. I’d say he was in a band.
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Old 24 May 2019, 13:06
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That ribbon looks like the Mexican Border Service Ribbon, which would be contemporaneous. The shoulder insignia may be a Kansas thing, but the pictures of the Kansas Guard on the border are not showing shoulder insignia. The mystery continues.

Ordered the service history yet?
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Old 28 May 2019, 14:04
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I'm going to hazard a guess that the shoulder insignia is that of the Second Corps School, which was at Chattillion-sur-Seine (established 23 January 1918 in General Order No. 14). There were three such schools created, and which served the purpose of advanced training in trench warfare for officers and enlisted.
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That ribbon looks like the Mexican Border Service Ribbon, which would be contemporaneous. The shoulder insignia may be a Kansas thing, but the pictures of the Kansas Guard on the border are not showing shoulder insignia. The mystery continues.

Ordered the service history yet?
It's on the list of my to-do items. Other things are having to take priority right now unfortunately.
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