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Old 14 July 2015, 09:19
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Well a deal has been struck. I guess we don't have to worry about Iran anymore as we are all buddies now.

Forget about:

The Marine barracks bombing in Beirut
The embassy bombing in Beirut
James Dozier kidnapped, tortured and executed
A dozen others like Dozier
The American Embassy in Tehran
And how many US dead in Iraq due to the constant supply of EFPs from Iran?

King Obama and Queen Kerry say it's all good now. Rest easy.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:21
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Well a deal has been struck. I guess we don't have to worry about Iran anymore as we are all buddies now.

Forget about:

The Marine barracks bombing in Beirut
The embassy bombing in Beirut
James Dozier kidnapped, tortured and executed
A dozen others like Dozier
The American Embassy in Tehran
And how many US dead in Iraq due to the constant supply of EFPs from Iran?

King Obama and Queen Kerry say it's all good now. Rest easy.
Made me want to puke when POTUS was doing his speech.

I have full faith Iran will follow the treaty to the letter.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:32
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I excuse fmr-Pres Carter, as he was a useless president -- more worried about which woman's pants he could get in than anything going on in the world -- including Iran -- but from Presidents Reagan and onward, each of them are responsible for Americans dying at the hands of the govt of Iran. And each of them will share in the future events should Iran succeed and develop nuclear weapons (or any other serious WMD).

We should all be sickened by the events leading up to, and the signing of this treaty....
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:44
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I excuse fmr-Pres Carter, as he was a useless president -- more worried about which woman's pants he could get in than anything going on in the world -- including Iran -- but from Presidents Reagan and onward,
POTUS Clinton you mean? Not arguing, but in your opinion---what action (s) did Reagan initiate that resulted in the deaths of Americans? Most of his presidency was consumed with the Russians. Was it US support to Iraq during their 1980-88 war with Iran? The whole Oliver North scandal?
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Old 14 July 2015, 10:39
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POTUS Clinton you mean?
No, I know exactly what I mean, which is why I wrote it that way....
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Old 14 July 2015, 10:56
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No, I know exactly what I mean, which is why I wrote it that way....
As I recall, Carter admitted to having "lust in my heart." Wasn't that to Playboy?

COL Beckwith's Delta Force gave some interesting insight into the utter ineptitude of Carter's inner circle of advisors during hostage crisis.

Seems like it's dj vu all over again.
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Old 14 July 2015, 10:47
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...what action (s) did Reagan initiate that resulted in the deaths of Americans?...
Ordering U.S. Marines to Beirut to act as fucking peace-keepers.
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Old 14 July 2015, 11:17
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Ordering U.S. Marines to Beirut to act as fucking peace-keepers.
....and tying hands in terms of ROE and a weak response when the Marine barracks were bombed.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:52
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.......We should all be sickened by the events leading up to, and the signing of this treaty....
Well put, this sums up the evolution of the process and the outcome. This will only allow an enemy to keep us closer, not vice-versa as it is being spun.
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Old 14 July 2015, 11:06
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but from Presidents Reagan and onward, each of them are responsible for Americans dying at the hands of the govt of Iran.
Wasn't it President Reagan that prevented the sale of F-14s to Iran? Didn't Iran pretty much crap their pants when he was inaugurated? True, he was preoccupied in dealing with the Soviet Bear, and watching their failings in Afghanistan, but I think President Bush Sr. tenure would more of a starting point for "events onward".

BTW, those F-14s are still sitting in preservation status, just waiting for a treaty like this.
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Old 14 July 2015, 12:13
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Didn't Iran pretty much crap their pants when he was inaugurated?
No... they cheered for Reagan when he won the election... but not because they liked him.
They just really hated Carter and celebrated his defeat.
they deliberately held the release of the hostages until after Carter was officially out of office as one last farewell "fuck you" to Carter.

Carter was the great Satan ...they eventually hated Reagan too.
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Old 14 July 2015, 13:07
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No... they cheered for Reagan when he won the election... but not because they liked him.
They just really hated Carter and celebrated his defeat.
they deliberately held the release of the hostages until after Carter was officially out of office as one last farewell "fuck you" to Carter.

Carter was the great Satan ...they eventually hated Reagan too.
As usual, I think you are coming out of left field. Can you back that up, please? No, I'm going to fucking research it. Provide some facts instead of hearsay and perhaps you'll sway an opinion or two.....
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I excuse fmr-Pres Carter, as he was a useless president -- more worried about which woman's pants he could get in than anything going on in the world -- including Iran -- but from Presidents Reagan and onward, each of them are responsible for Americans dying at the hands of the govt of Iran. And each of them will share in the future events should Iran succeed and develop nuclear weapons (or any other serious WMD).

We should all be sickened by the events leading up to, and the signing of this treaty....
Fuck that, I don't excuse Carter or policies/actions/non-actions that led to the overthrow of the Shah.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:41
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Made me want to puke when POTUS was doing his speech.
You can still listen to that guys fucking speeches? You have a stronger stomach than I do.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:46
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You can still listen to that guys fucking speeches? You have a stronger stomach than I do.
I only made through the first paragraph.
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Old 14 July 2015, 11:39
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Made me want to puke when POTUS was doing his speech.

I have full faith Iran will follow the treaty to the letter.
I was on the treadmill when it started. I turned to Parking Wars on A&E when the speech started...
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Add another triumph for the king's legacy. That's all that matters and people are too stupid to know any better.
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There is going to be some terrible events that ripple out from this stone that has been cast into the water.

That will be his legacy.
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Old 14 July 2015, 09:55
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Spot on Sharky. I wish I could say this was unbelievable but I think most of us knew it was coming.
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