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Old 11 November 2019, 02:40
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Opinion on the use of deadly force in HK

Just want to get a perspective from the LE experts here on socnet. I can't seem to find an existing thread regarding the protest in Hong Kong but there's been multiple shootings of unarmed protesters.

This is the latest one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zINR8YZHo

In your opinion was it justified that the Police used deadly force?

Also, if the same scenario occurred in the US, would such COA be deemed a "good shoot"?

It's a shame that the once great HKPF - deemed as "Asia's Finest" has now degnerated into a a mob of thugs.

Would tactics such as ramming protestors with your bike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcSh-Hpjdw) be gtg in your LE Agency?

Just curious - as alot of people (mostly pro PRC types) think that if the same protests occur in the US they would be shot without a second thought.
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Old 15 November 2019, 00:00
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I think that in a city/state as small as Hong Kong, those police officers have to arrive at the stations in the morning and go home at night.
The protesters should be staking out the stations and recording the names and faces of all the officers.

Perhaps posting those faces and names as a data base, with posters
warning "when the revolution comes, there may well be war crimes trials."

Posting names, addresses, car license plate numbers, etc. would do
much to compel accountability when the police conceal their faces and
names, and shoot unarmed citizens.
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Old 15 November 2019, 01:36
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Just want to get a perspective from the LE experts here on socnet. I can't seem to find an existing thread regarding the protest in Hong Kong but there's been multiple shootings of unarmed protesters.

This is the latest one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zINR8YZHo

In your opinion was it justified that the Police used deadly force?
In Australia? No.
In the US? No.
In China? Sure.

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Also, if the same scenario occurred in the US, would such COA be deemed a "good shoot"?
Even perfectly legal and justifiable shoots in the US are criticised and quarter-backed. Just recently (last week) a Police shooting in Australia has resulted in the Officer being charged with Murder. Initial reports seemed to justify the shoot, (resisting arrest, known criminal, had a weapon), but that initial "good shoot" is now not.

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It's a shame that the once great HKPF - deemed as "Asia's Finest" has now degnerated into a a mob of thugs.
The Govt? The Police? The residents? Amazing what happens when the Chinese take over a democracy.

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Would tactics such as ramming protestors with your bike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQcSh-Hpjdw) be gtg in your LE Agency?
Depends on the threat.

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Just curious - as alot of people (mostly pro PRC types) think that if the same protests occur in the US they would be shot without a second thought.
I always find it difficult to believe someone when they say "a lot of people think" something. And even if they do think it, so what?
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Old 15 November 2019, 09:47
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I think that in a city/state as small as Hong Kong, those police officers have to arrive at the stations in the morning and go home at night.
The protesters should be staking out the stations and recording the names and faces of all the officers.

Perhaps posting those faces and names as a data base, with posters
warning "when the revolution comes, there may well be war crimes trials."

Posting names, addresses, car license plate numbers, etc. would do
much to compel accountability when the police conceal their faces and
names, and shoot unarmed citizens.

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Or the flip side, as has happened before, all the protesters are IDed and sent to “RE-Education “ camps.
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This is the latest one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zINR8YZHo

In your opinion was it justified that the Police used deadly force?
No, and not sure why the question is couched in reference to
American LE.

OTOH, I'm surprised that the police/military haven't yet
"Tienamened" the protesters.

Read up on Tienamen, the death figures range from six
hundred to nearly a thousand, from fairly credible sources.
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The premise the question is based on is flawed. It assumes police in HK or anywhere else in the world, are governed by how LE is here and that the people in HK have the same freedoms we do.

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