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Old 10 July 2012, 15:00
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Icon5 F250 w/ 6.0 turbo-diesel

I'm looking at a 2005 F250 Lariat / King Ranch. Real good shape and the guys asking a fair price. I've read that this engine may have issues, I've read pro and con on both sides.

Any opinions from those here?
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Old 10 July 2012, 15:02
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I don't own one, but have a bud that does and his is over 170k with no issues.
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Old 10 July 2012, 15:35
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we ran a bunch of F250, F350, and Excursions with 6.0 turbo diesels in them over in Iraq.. (had over 50 of them at one time between our convoy teams, PSD teams, and general purpose trucks)..

our mechanics seemed to prefer them over any other engine option... for working in that particular environment..
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Old 10 July 2012, 15:49
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I'm not a Ford guy, but I drove our department's F-250 with the 6.0 to Louisianna for the Katrina aftermath. I had a loaded 24' trailer hitched to it and it pulled like it wasn't there. I've always preferred Chevy products, but that Super Duty made a believer out of me. It's still in the fleet approaching 200,000.
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Old 10 July 2012, 15:58
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When we designed the vehicle in my armored veh thread, we specifically waite for mass production until Ford went to the new motor.

Our mechanics thought the other one sucked....
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Old 10 July 2012, 16:09
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I'm sorry, but that 6.0 is a terrible motor.
I'm a Ford guy too. We had one while I was doing pipeline work in Alaska, it had to be warmed up for 5-10 minutes whenever the temperature was below 40 (which was 10 months of the year). It was gutless, smokey, noisy, just a disappointment all around.

Generally, our contractors and employees ran Duramax's. A few Cummins Dodges (pre-2007 only) made it up there. The D-max is outstanding, regardless of the generation.
The Silverado rides much nicer as well.

When it came time for me to buy a new truck several years ago, I went to the Ford dealer and bought a used Duramax.

Ford just can't seem to settle on a good motor design. The Chevy has been a 6.7 since '99, with minor generational changes. In that same period, Ford has had a 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 and now a 6.7. None of these motors are related to each other.

Frankly, I wouldn't take a 6.0 as a gift.
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Old 10 July 2012, 16:13
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As long as the vehicle has been maintained it should be fine. The 6.0 does not like to spend hours on end idling. In fact it loves to be driven hard. My wife's '05 Excursion has given us no engine issues. Keep the oil clean, fuel filters changed, and coolant fresh and you should be GTG.

How many miles are on it? Can you have the warranty history checked through a Ford dealer?
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Old 10 July 2012, 17:16
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I'm sorry, but that 6.0 is a terrible motor.
I'm a Ford guy too. We had one while I was doing pipeline work in Alaska, it had to be warmed up for 5-10 minutes whenever the temperature was below 40 (which was 10 months of the year). It was gutless, smokey, noisy, just a disappointment all around.

Generally, our contractors and employees ran Duramax's. A few Cummins Dodges (pre-2007 only) made it up there. The D-max is outstanding, regardless of the generation.
The Silverado rides much nicer as well.

When it came time for me to buy a new truck several years ago, I went to the Ford dealer and bought a used Duramax.

Ford just can't seem to settle on a good motor design. The Chevy has been a 6.7 since '99, with minor generational changes. In that same period, Ford has had a 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 and now a 6.7. None of these motors are related to each other.

Frankly, I wouldn't take a 6.0 as a gift.

Ha! Maybe that's why it works so well for us. Mild temps and flat roads
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Old 10 July 2012, 17:36
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Ha! Maybe that's why it works so well for us. Mild temps and flat roads
You both are probably on to something.
For me, it was a no-frills work truck. In Fairbanks, temps often hit -45 or worse - if there was no place to plug in, you just let it idle, often for a whole day.
Lots of hills, gravel, etc.
It really was bad, but I test drove several when it came time to buy, because I really wanted the truck to work out.

The final nail in the coffin was the outrageous turning circle.
My driveway had 2 switchbacks in it, even an extended cab Ford couldn't make it up in one run. The crew cab long bed dually Chevy motored right up with no problems.

My current company uses a half-dozen Ford 3/4 and 1T trucks. All gas V10s, and they are some serious gas hogs. Very little torque and harsh riding.
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Old 10 July 2012, 20:07
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The 6.0 was thought of to be a horrible motor (by original design I guess one could say it was). The general problem was in the anti-freeze used by Ford, which eventually caused a cascade of problems. From what I remember the anti-freeze was silicon based which would eventually eat away at the cylinder head gasket; weak head-studs being a big problem causing anti-freeze to seep into the combustion chamber. If it wasn't caught when it "started" to show signs then you were in for some serious cylinder head damage or a complete dead engine. I'm no mechanic and don't' claim to be one but am going off of what the local diesel shop pass to me. I am starting my search for this same engine, truck and year model.

You can put around $5k into the engine and make it (their verbiage not mine) bullet proof. EGR delete, heavy duty head gasket, the proper anti-freeze fluid, head bolt studs, and a few other items make the engine a solid performer and one that can handle heavy horsepower. A guy I trained with has '06 F350 with 500 bhp and around 900 torque all but doing those modifications and a turbo timer. When fixed they really hold together well and for quite a while.

When I buy, I'm going to make sure the truck I get has those "fixes." Not saying you should too but it is added insurance against future engine problems. Good luck!
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Old 10 July 2012, 20:46
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Check out powerstroke.org. to read all about the 6.0 by guys that drive them, rebuild/troubleshoot them. Do a little research and then you'll know what to check out on a potential buy. I own and drive a 2001 7.3 and a 2003 Excursion 6.0.
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Old 10 July 2012, 20:50
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As I tried to slip in, there's more to a truck than the motor.
The ride, handling (never great, it's a truck), maneuverability, noise all come in to play.
When Chevy discontinued the diesel Suburbans we bought several nice 2007 Excursions with the 6.0. They were a world different than the pickups, mainly because of the focus on ride and noise isolation.

If you're really going to work it hard and often, the Ford is a good choice with the right precautions. Tough, not plush.
If it's a DD that will occasionally see truck duty, you might want to consider another brand.
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Old 10 July 2012, 21:20
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If you're really going to work it hard and often, the Ford is a good choice with the right precautions. Tough, not plush. If it's a DD that will occasionally see truck duty, you might want to consider another brand.
That about sums it up, this thing is a "want" not a "need". I was talking to my wife about it at dinner (Not gonna get it), because I'd buy it and then try not to drive it... Sucks when you have new toy fever, hard to fight the urge. I just got rid of my 1990 F150, straight 6, bullet proof engine. I've got the fever for another PU. I need to fight the urge a bit longer. I've always liked the 250's, that is what I'll look at first when the time comes.

I appreciate everyone's insight.
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Old 10 July 2012, 21:51
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I have this exact same truck. We have 120k miles pulling a trailer. About 6 months ao we had some significant Engine work done on it. ($5k). Have them put it on the high speed engine analyzer before you buy it,. It finds things that may be wrong that you cannot currently sense.
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Old 10 July 2012, 21:58
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Everyone I know who has had a 6.0 said it was a big turd.
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6.0 Ford= Navistar(International) VT365. Is widely reported as a problem child, I don't see many anymore. 7.3 was a great motor, but the usual bureaucratic meddling (EPA crap) ruined it.

In the small truck market, the benchmark is the Cummin 5.9 and now 6.7L. A Cummins with an Allison transmission (if you're into slush boxes) would be the ideal setup. Unfortunately that's not available from an OEM. S/F....Ken M
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Old 11 July 2012, 06:36
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Ah, something I am somewhat qualified in, lol.
The 6.0L was doomed from the start. It was the beginning of the end regarding the relationship between Navistar and Ford. The details are boring, but it started with the injectors and a rear camshaft seal. The bottom line with 6.0 PowerStrokes is if you have a good one, it'll be good. The bad ones seem to have acted up before 60k miles and continued their problems.
I put just over 200k on a new '08 6.4L with some modifications early and loved that truck. That was the work truck, Dodge Cummins have been the POV of choice.
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Old 11 July 2012, 09:00
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Everyone I know who has had a 6.0 said it was a big turd.
This. I wouldnt touch a 6.No with a ten-foot cattle prod.




For Ford, I suggest a late-run 7.3. They quit making them about half-way through the 2003 model year (ie, 2003 is a mix of 7.3s and 6.Nos). I have a 2002 7.3 myself.
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My Brother used to own and work at his own auto/performance shop, and he has over 40 years of mechanical experience, with over 30 of that being career-wise as a professional (Most of it as an ASE Master Mechanic); and he currently employs a 2000 f 250 xlt exd cab 5.4 gas motor as both his daily driver and general work truck (He loads the Harley into it sometimes, can utilize it to tow his boat, or uses it to extensively plow snow in the wintertime up in NY. At the same time it's also great for just cruising around with his dog in it, and going to work). It's a great truck as well, and you might consider something close to that.


As for the model you were asking about, this is what he had to say:

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Overall good truck. 6.0 diesel issues were head gaskets, egr and injector problems. Lots of power, great towing, if you find a well maintained one go for it. King Ranch is the fully extra loaded model, so they probably used it as a personal truck not a used and abused work truck. Hope this helps.
I know you've apparently reached a decision already, but I just figured I'd toss this out there anyways (I contacted him before you posted a second time, but didn't get it up here fast enough). Best of luck with whatever you decide to go after in the near future!
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Ah, something I am somewhat qualified in, lol.
The 6.0L was doomed from the start. It was the beginning of the end regarding the relationship between Navistar and Ford. The details are boring, but it started with the injectors and a rear camshaft seal. The bottom line with 6.0 PowerStrokes is if you have a good one, it'll be good. The bad ones seem to have acted up before 60k miles and continued their problems.
I put just over 200k on a new '08 6.4L with some modifications early and loved that truck. That was the work truck, Dodge Cummins have been the POV of choice.
-OS3 the diesel dude.
I take very good care of mine, but these are the exact problems I had as mentioned above. FWIW, I do have 120k miles on it before I had any issue besides a transmission service or oil change.
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