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Old 18 December 2004, 16:09
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PSYOP question

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I am currently looking at enlisting in the Guard or Army Reserve. I'm not going back into the Marine Corps Reserve because I don't want to be an artilleryman anymore.

I'm trying to decide whether to enlist as an 11B with the Texas Guard or enlist as a 37B with the PSYOP unit here in Dallas. My question is, are all 37B soldiers assigned to the tactical teams or is that something one would have to compete to get into?

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Old 18 December 2004, 18:45
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Hey Rob,

Of course, it depends on what you're looking for. I'd consider what you'll be doing when you get deployed, because odds are that you will.

If you go in as an infantryman, expect to do leg infantry stuff, guard duty, convoy escort, presence patrols, etc. I wouldn't guess that Guard/Reserve infantry are getting many HVT missions.

PSYOP, on the other hand consists mostly of Reserve units, and in my opinion they're getting some decent missions. You could do anything from making leaflets to ride alongs with SF teams to provide speaker support ("Stay away...do not interfere...." shit like that). OK, so the leaflets part isn't too exciting, but your tactical time would be much more interesting. They also seem to get much more autonomy when they're out in Firebases than any infantry unit I ever saw.

I think bottom line is: If you like wearing your Kpot and one canteen on a pistol belt when you go to a range, then go infantry. If you want to get out of the wire on YOUR terms and mingle with interesting folks, go PSYOP.
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Old 18 December 2004, 20:56
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If you are talking about the pysop unit on Northwest Highway, they have a couple prior services Marines already.

They have jump slots there also. Most of those guys have been deployed more than they have been home over the last three years. The VAST majority of PSYOPs units are reserve units, not active duty ergo, lots of deployment time.

The Texas National Guard has four missions that involve beng deplyed in the GWOT. There is a batch of armor adn supporting units leaving in three weeks for a year. Tankers, but not taking tanks. Convoy duty. My buddy is in the 2 shop with them.

Take the psyops, screw convoy duty.
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Old 18 December 2004, 21:20
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The Guard is giving out a crapload of bonuses right now, that's pretty much all I could get out of the recruiter, not what kind of duty they're pulling, he wouldn't talk too much about that.

I could care less about the money, I just want to do something out there.


The Army recruiters didn't have a whole lot of info on the 37B MOS.

As I understand it, the mission appears to be more of an intel related one, are they trigger pullers as well?

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Old 18 December 2004, 22:59
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I'm an active duty PSYOP Sergeant and I see reservists coming through here(Bragg) all the time. Some of them are attached to regular conventional units while others are attached to various SOCOM units. The only tactical psyop team that you have to apply for is the Active duty Ranger PSYOP team. Talk to the PSYOP unit in Dallas and find out if their mainly tactical. By the way, it's MOS 37F (Psychological Operations Specialist) not 37B. If you have any more questions drop me a line and I'll be happy to answer them if I can.
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Old 19 December 2004, 03:33
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The Guard is giving out a crapload of bonuses right now, that's pretty much all I could get out of the recruiter, not what kind of duty they're pulling, he wouldn't talk too much about that.
I could care less about the money, I just want to do something out there.
The Army recruiters didn't have a whole lot of info on the 37B MOS.
As I understand it, the mission appears to be more of an intel related one, are they trigger pullers as well?
[edited because I can't type}

Most recruiters don't know shit about anything other than Tanks, Infantry and Cooks. Ask them about MI or CA and you're going to get a stupid look and a short answer. Do your own research, go talk to the unit, and take everything the recruiter says with a grain of salt.

As far as "trigger pullers" go, it's all relative. Is an 11B in the reserves a "trigger puller"? I suppose he is compared to a truck driver, but he probably shouldn't run his mouth around a bunch of Fallujah Marines, let alone serious operators.

Don't get caught up with labels. Find out more about PsyOps and decide if you want to strut around in a "Let God Sort 'Em Out" 2-54 Infantry t-shirt when you're not manning a guard tower, or if you want to take a less prestigious job but one which gets you out on some pretty cool missions.

Oh, and I forgot to bring up Airborne School last time, but it's another BIG consideration.
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Old 19 December 2004, 12:07
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If you are referring to the 345th POC in Dallas, they are a Tactical PSYOP company and have a great deal of experience in the latest conflicts. PSYOP is a great job with a wide variety of opportunities and a very important mission. PSYOP soldiers are everywhere on the battlefield. Im quite sure you could find whatever sort of combat experience you were looking for if you went PSYOP.
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Old 19 December 2004, 13:56
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Re: PSYOP question

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Gentlemen,

I am currently looking at enlisting in the Guard or Army Reserve. I'm not going back into the Marine Corps Reserve because I don't want to be an artilleryman anymore.

I'm trying to decide whether to enlist as an 11B with the Texas Guard or enlist as a 37B with the PSYOP unit here in Dallas. My question is, are all 37B soldiers assigned to the tactical teams or is that something one would have to compete to get into?

Thanks,

Semper Fidelis,

Rob
Only Psyop guys I ran into operated out of the embassy, stayed in 5 star hotels, went into the jungle when they wanted to, and partied all the time. Almost total autonomy. Looked like the dream job- you could be cool and go on patrols with whoever you could build rapport with- or be a slug. Or both.
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Old 19 December 2004, 14:24
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Oh, and I forgot to bring up Airborne School last time, but it's another BIG consideration. [/B]
You'd have to weasle an Airborne deal with the unit in Dallas, if they have slots. Most reserve PSYOP specialists finish AIT and go straight to their units, then straight to war.... you don't see many Airborne qualified reserve PSYOP. Do your homework, study the web for information and ask more questions.

Maybe this site will give you some more answers:
www.psywarrior.com
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Old 20 December 2004, 01:17
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Thank you all for your input.

Hopefully, I'll be able to speak with someone from the PSYOP unit next week.


I appreciate your prompt responses.

Sorry about posting the incorrect MOS designator.

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Keep us posted on your decision. Sounds like you're headed what, IMHO, is the right direction.
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Old 20 December 2004, 11:54
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Will do. Thanks again.

One more question. It looks like I'll have to go to boot camp again. So how long will it be before I report to my unit? I'm assuming language school is part of AIT, so I would think the timeframe varies depending on what language I am assigned, is that correct?

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Old 20 December 2004, 11:59
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Will do. Thanks again.

One more question. It looks like I'll have to go to boot camp again. So how long will it be before I report to my unit? I'm assuming language school is part of AIT, so I would think the timeframe varies depending on what language I am assigned, is that correct?

Thanks,

Rob
I'll have to defer to the PSYOP'ers out there on this one. BUT, as I was politely informed, Guard infantry are getting some good missions as well, so don't totally discount them. Go talk to those guys too.
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Old 20 December 2004, 12:34
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hmmmm.....decisions decisons.

I'm doing all of this because I don't want to wait around any longer and the active duty OCS thing just takes too long with age waivers and whatnot.

I'm still leaning towards PSYOP, it would be nice to learn another language. Perhaps that's a better start towards getting into the 19th or 20th groups later on down the road.
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Old 20 December 2004, 13:03
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Rob_0811,
As a reserve PSYOP specialist your path will look like this: Basic, AIT and then your Unit. As an Active duty soldier your path would look like this: Basic, AIT, Airborne school, 4-6 months of Language school and then your Unit. There wasn't one Reserve soldier in the Language program that hadn't already reported to their unit before getting a slot to BMLC(language). Some Reserve soldiers get a unit that is willing to send them to DLI, while others get no formal language training at all. It's all dependent on what the Dallas unit is willing to pay for and also what they have slots for. I think DROB posted that they do have Airborne slots so that's a possibility, but language? Who knows.

Hope this helps.
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Old 20 December 2004, 13:05
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that helps alot.

Thanks very much.
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Old 20 December 2004, 14:44
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The 345th is a Tac ABN company. You will be expected to go to ABN school (all soldiers in the unit). They jump every couple of months, send teams to events such as Leapfest, and participate in airshows. The unit has both in house language training conducted by Berlitz type instructors as well as in-residence language training. Many opportunities exist for both FBNC and DLIFLC. (as to who get picked? You need to hear it from the horse.) It is likely given optempo you will find yourself deployed post ABN but prior to a language opportunity. Those boys weren't home for a year (from 10 months in A-stan) when they were hit with another 9 in Iraq. Like many, they also had been bouncing around the balkans, haiti, the ME, and various other trng ops (from cobra gold to bright star to NTC) in the previous years. Several good friends of mine are in the unit and on occasion we still work together. If desired, PM for the contact information for the UA (an E-7 in the unit) - he can put you in touch with anyone you need/desire and answer your questions with a phone call/interview.

Good luck on your decision.
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Anyone know of any east coast units? Anything as far north as Rhode islan or as far south as North Carolina
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