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Old 13 December 2005, 12:35
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Q's about Psyop

I enlisted yeaterday at MEPS and chose Psyop as my job. I have some questions concerning job training and would be gratefull of any help from people that have been there and done it. I ship out 20060202 Active Duty.
- I scored a 90 on the DLAB. Will I be stuck with German? I speak Polish quite fluently and know some Russian. I've seen that someone had marked I know Polish somewhere in my paperwork, should I ask someone once I get to training or just assume they considered it?
-When may I be able to get corrective eye surgery? I heard from another forum that it is at a certain time during training that you get them corrected if you choose to do it. (Also Ive had trouble finding out if the Military does Custom Lasik or Custom PRK procedures, for anyone that knows please let me know). The Walter Reed website wasnt helpfull at all.
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Old 13 December 2005, 14:31
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im sure somewhere along the way you can request to take the DLPT in Polish if you desire.
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Old 13 December 2005, 15:28
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I dont know about when they would offer eye surgery to you. But I saw an article the other day in the hometown paper that the Cleveland Clinic is offering it to MILPER free of charge while home on leave, back from/headed to deployment. I thought that was pretty cool of them.
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Old 13 December 2005, 19:07
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Typically, you'll get an opportunity for eye surgery right after AIT/ Jump School. 37F's are
only authorized to get the PRK... Lasik will bump you off jump status, thereby losing your MOS of
37F. Also, your DLAB score doesn't mean sh*t. A friend of mine scored a 67 and got Korean.
If you want to by-pass language school, take a DLPT in Polish, score a 1/1 and you'll be at the POG
4-6 months early.
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Old 13 December 2005, 19:46
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How could your friend have gotten 37F if he didnt qualify with the DLAB? When I was at my job counciler, he said I had to re-test on the DLAB and only if I make an 85 or up I could get the job. I asked about getting a waiver for the DLAB too, and they said there was no such thing. Were they pulling my chain? Also, (out of curiosity) how long would it take me to reach the rank of E-5 from enlisting as a Specialist? The reason I ask is I had heard that your blitzkrieg through rank until E-6 in this MOS, and then it slows down. Reaching E-5 after training sounds like a good deal, but I don't know if that information is accurate. Thanks for the input.
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Old 13 December 2005, 19:53
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Hey... Do me a favor and don't join so you can "blitzkrieg" through the ranks. I waste enough of mine and my instructors time training skill level 20's,30's and 40's basic shit that NCO's should know. You want to know why? Because they "Blitzkrieg" through the ranks and bullshit their way through their jobs.
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Old 14 December 2005, 03:27
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Damn Straight...try learning something first!!!
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Old 14 December 2005, 03:28
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Hey... Do me a favor and don't join so you can "blitzkrieg" through the ranks. I waste enough of mine and my instructors time training skill level 20's,30's and 40's basic shit that NCO's should know. You want to know why? Because they "Blitzkrieg" through the ranks and bullshit their way through their jobs.

Damn Straight...try learning something first!!!
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Old 14 December 2005, 12:06
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Excuse me, I wasnt trying to cut a deal or cheat anyone here. I heard some information and was curious about it. Excuse my terminology, and my curiosity.
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Excuse me, I wasnt trying to cut a deal
you want out of prison? who were you working with? :D
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Old 14 December 2005, 13:49
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WTF are you taliking about? I didn't say anything about cutting a deal.
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Old 14 December 2005, 18:21
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Okay maro7ak here's the deal.

It takes years to MASTER a skill.

It takes more years to MASTER the skill of supervising someone doing the same thing you mastered.

It takes yet more years to MASTER that supervisory job to the point that you are qualified to supervise the supervisors.

Or you can "blitzkreig" right up the rank structure and have no idea what you are doing, no idea what your subordinates are supposed to be doing, and no idea what their subordinates are supposed to be doing.

A long time ago, my first Platoon Sergeant told me this,

"You have two paths ahead of you, and you can only choose one.

You can choose to chase promotions, and I have no doubt you will be a Sergeant Major in under 20 years.

Or you can choose to pursue excellence.

If you choose the second option, you likely will not reach the pinnacles of the rank structure, but you will have the opportunity to be known as the very best there is at what you do. Superiors, peers and subordinates alike will look to you because you took the time to master each step along the way."


He was right.

In most MOS's it takes 2 years to become a Specialist. 2 years experience DOING THE JOB.

After being a Specialist for a year or so, then most folks start looking at being promoted to Sergeant. That's at least 3 years DOING THE JOB before looking at becoming a supervisor.

The title of the rank of E-4 is Specialist. A specialist is supposed to be exactly that. Someone who knows the basics of the job to the point that he/she is a specialist at it.

The old certificate of promotion to Specialist read, "...you are charged to perform your special skills with a high degree of proficiency, as an example for those of lesser rank to follow."

Worry about being good at what you do. The promotions will take care of themselves.
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Old 14 December 2005, 18:50
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Yeah... What he said.... (much more eloquent by the way).......
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Old 15 December 2005, 06:31
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Brings tears to my eyes, 1280!

That's pretty much what I was thinking when I turned down going to the E6 board in Language school.. I didn't want to get to psyop and be a fucked up E6, I wanted to learn the job a bit first.

And since noone actually answered the question.. I didn't think there WAS a dlab requirement for 37F.. a lot of the IET punks took their DLAB at Bragg, after they were in the course. But don't worry about it.. the Drills don't look at what your DLAB was when they pick the language for you anyway. They look at a coin. Or the manning requirements :) But if you already have a language you can just DLPT out and skip the whole language school bit, which they always love, it's much better to just do the AIT part and ship them to the desert....I mean UNIT.

PS: Jtorak.. no use denying it. You're making deals with THEM! Take him away to the reeducation chamber.
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Old 15 December 2005, 07:22
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DLAB is required IOT hold the Active Component MOS. I'm too lazy to look it up right now but I don't recall any certain score requirement.

As far as the reeducation chamber is concerned..... I call it a "classroom". Keep in mind that I have various "educational" instructional tools at my disposal.... Logs....study hall...etc.....
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I stand Corrected: As per AR 611-21 (may be subject to change)

(1) A physical demands rating of medium.
(2) A physical profile of 222221.
(3) Normal color vision.
(4) A minimum score of 105 in aptitude area ST.
(5) A security clearance of SECRET.
(6) A qualifying score on the Defense Language Aptitude Battery
(DLAB) as prescribed by AR 611-6.
(7) Good voice quality and be able to speak English without an
objectionable accent or impediment. (This requirement is desired but
not mandatory.)
(8) A high school graduate or equivalent.
(9) Never been a member of the U.S. Peace Corps, except as
specified in AR 614-200.
(10) A U.S. citizen.
(11) No information in Provost Marshal, intelligence, MPRJ or
medical records which would prevent the granting of a security
clearance under provisions of AR 604-5.
(12) No record of conviction by court-martial.
(13) No record of conviction by a civil court for any offense
other than minor traffic violations.
(14) Due to the nature of training and assignments, temporary
restrictions may be placed on foreign travel both during and after
the term of service.
(15) Meet career management and development criteria contained
in AR 614-200.
(16) Complete mandatory formal training.
(17) The active component soldier must be airborne qualified.
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Old 15 December 2005, 13:02
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thanks for the nods gents
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Old 15 December 2005, 20:33
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How could your friend have gotten 37F if he didnt qualify with the DLAB?
How??? Because your DLAB scores don't matter to the needs of the POG(A) and they are going to assign you a language they need. You have a language, so take the DLPT and be done with it. You will get promoted fast in PSYOP....
but like all the other wise NCO's have already stated, learn and master your skill first then worry about leading others.
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Old 16 December 2005, 20:06
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I stand Corrected: As per AR 611-21 (may be subject to change)
(3) Normal color vision.
Well Golllllleee Sarge, I somehow slipped thru the cracks on that one. Where do I turn in my regimental plankholder certificate and coin?
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Old 16 December 2005, 23:23
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As far as the corrective surgery goes, does the military offer Custom PRK or just PRK? I was going to get the surgery before BCT but my recruiter said that I would need a waiver to enlist, and I may or may not get it. The doctor I was going to get it done at said that Im a candidate for Custom PRK, but not the regular PRK because of the size of my large pupils. Do you get a consiltation after Airborne School? how does it work in the military?
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