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Old 20 April 2010, 16:48
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Jim West credential check

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Thanks for allowing me to lurk here and pick up a lot of great information. I am active on a MA board which is very similar to this one in scope and purpose. We respect the traditional martial arts but the community is more focused towards MAs which promote live training and actual full contact sparring/competitions. We also serve as a sort of consumer advocacy site where we help research instructors/gyms/systems which may have questionable credentials. It's ok if you want to let your 7 year old train at a McDojo but you might be looking for something more for yourself. Now to the point of this thread.

One of the users on our boards has called into question the validity of Jim West's credentials. I know that TRS has a history of wild marketting ploys but this guy's page sends up all sorts of red flags. I will do my own research on his MA claims but I was looking for help verifying his military pedigree. I have emailed him but have not received a reply as of yet. Below is a link to his page.

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Old 20 April 2010, 16:57
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One look at his website and it's obvious that he is a posing piece of unadulterated shit. Tell him that the only "arm" of the Green Berets ending in "bag" he was the "douche bag" arm. And tell him that "Whiskey 9" is HALO and SCUBA qualified, and has nothing to do with any type of security clearance. What a cunt. He makes Don Vito look like a consummate professional.
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Old 20 April 2010, 17:11
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He looks ready for gay porn with that "extended flavor saver" moustache he's sporting.

I'd guess that Jax Desmond and Adam Appel are both thinking, "wow, this guy is a bit over the top".
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Old 20 April 2010, 17:44
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I agree with both of you entirely. I just wanted feedback from the SMEs so I am not just shooting off my mouth with nothing to back it. I sent him an email asking for his full name and what ODA/ODAs he was in but, surprisingly, I haven't heard back yet. I am just Regular Army medical guy but my dad is Vietnam era SF and people who misrepresent the SF community tend to piss me off something fierce.
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Old 20 April 2010, 17:56
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Never heard of him. Believe there's some compensatory behaviour going on with the moustache; losing it on top, growing it where he can. Web story is beyond absurd.
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Old 20 April 2010, 18:28
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The picture on the website looks like an older, "Smokey" West. Smokey always pushed the mustache enelope. Smokey went thru the "Q" course in 79. He served on 7th Group teams. Smokey was a verifiable martial artist, who ran a school off Yadkin Road for a number of years. It's been almost 30 years since I saw hm last so I can't verify if the individual in question is the individual I knew.
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Old 20 April 2010, 18:41
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I don't know about any martial arts credentials or about that biography you link to; but the picture and the name are a match with someone I knew in Special Forces. I attended one or two courses in the 80's with him.

As Warchief stated, he was a 7th Group bubba 30 years ago; and he definitely had some serious ability in the martial arts department.

That biography is freaking odd to say the least. I'm a W9 also. Not related to clearances at all. Any idea who wrote it? I've seen marketing people get their facts wrong a number of times after someone like West hands them a condensed bio.

Addendum: I knew a Jim West from an academic environment, not operational. So the 7th Groupers will have to chime in regarding anything else.

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Old 20 April 2010, 18:49
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well, I'll gladly owe Smokey a beer if it's him and the credentials are real. That marketing text though, yikes.
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Old 20 April 2010, 18:52
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Well, if he's for real, then I hope to God that somebody else wrote that stuff about him on the website. Because that stuff is even more outrageous than Myke Hawke and friends biographies.
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I don't know about any martial arts credentials or about that biography you link to; but the picture and the name are a match with someone I knew in Special Forces. I attended one or two courses in the 80's with him.

As Warchief stated, he was a 7th Group bubba 30 years ago; and he definitely had some serious ability in the martial arts department.

That biography is freaking odd to say the least. I'm a W9 also. Not related to clearances at all. Any idea who wrote it? I've seen marketing people get their facts wrong a number of times after someone like West hands them a condensed bio.

Addendum: I knew a Jim West from an academic environment, not operational. So the 7th Groupers will have to chime in regarding anything else.
Tracy and Warchief speak the truth. Smokey West is as hard a mother fucker as I know. He put me through pre-scuba and was a fighting son of a bitch. He was always a bit on the wild side, fought in Fayetteville a lot but none the less as much a Brother as anyone here. I never knew him to be a HALO jumper, but that's not saying much. I signed a recommendation for his warrant packet.

Marketers do tend to embellish a bit.

Mako, Three hail Fat Guys and a Praise Tracy for your sins... and wash warchief's car you homo.
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Old 20 April 2010, 20:03
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Tracy and Warchief speak the truth. Smokey West is as hard a mother fucker as I know. He put me through pre-scuba and was a fighting son of a bitch. He was always a bit on the wild side, fought in Fayetteville a lot but none the less as much a Brother as anyone here. I never knew him to be a HALO jumper, but that's not saying much. I signed a recommendation for his warrant packet.

Marketers do tend to embellish a bit.

Mako, Three hail Fat Guys and a Praise Tracy for your sins... and wash warchief's car you homo.
In that case I retract my insults. But how can anybody read that stuff and not immediately throw the bullshit flag?

It brings up an interesting notion- how to treat a long tabber who lies and/or embellishes horribly about what he's done? I knew a guy once who had his tab pulled because he wore a combat patch he hadn't earned and had claimed to be a sniper in a Ranger battalion. An instructor from Robin Sage who claimed to be a "Bona Fide Gunfighter" and an "American Commando" comes to mind, a fellow who had been in "In a little place I like to call Afghanistan, where we'd walk around under nods and lasers and just bust that ass". When it turns out that he never even left Bagram. LOL.

We beat up on Myke Hawke pretty bad here because he wrote gay shit on his website, although none of it was false.

So I guess I jumped to conclusions about his legitimacy, but the text on that website is incredibly provocative.
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The whole clearance thing is ridiculous as is being "invited into the Top Secret Marine War Room". Like going into a SCIF or OPCEN is reserved for only the most elite?

People need to police up their crap regardless of who wrote it..as it reflects poorly on them and harms their credibility
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The whole clearance thing is ridiculous as is being "invited into the Top Secret Marine War Room". Like going into a SCIF or OPCEN is reserved for only the most elite?

People need to police up their crap regardless of who wrote it..as it reflects poorly on them and harms their credibility
No doubt, but I can tell you a lot worse stories of what people we would normally hold in high esteem have done to make a living on the "Outside"
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Well, if he's for real, then I hope to God that somebody else wrote that stuff about him on the website. Because that stuff is even more outrageous than Myke Hawke and friends biographies.
Without a doubt, but a fella has to eat. It looks to me like a conglomeration of products on the web site, I would be shocked if Smokey wasn't a bit embarrassed by all of this. Maybe I am just covering for an old friend?

Oh, and send me back the Dale Carnegie Books, there's other folks in line for them. LOL
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Old 20 April 2010, 21:04
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Ouch.

One of you guys that know him should get in touch and get that text changed.

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Ouch.

One of you guys that know him should get in touch and get that text changed.

http://www.protectmefirst.com/customerfeedback.htm
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Agreed, but it looks like the site owners have sensationalized more than just Jim's ability.

Here is a smorgasbord of it for, I would assume the airsofters

http://www.protectmefirst.com/videos.asp
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Smokey got into lots of fights -- and would bring some major smack-down hurt on folks.

It's him, he's badass. Whoever's marketing his stuff must suck.

Last I knew he was body guarding in Haiti, but that was 94-95.
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The whole clearance thing is ridiculous as is being "invited into the Top Secret Marine War Room". Like going into a SCIF or OPCEN is reserved for only the most elite?

People need to police up their crap regardless of who wrote it..as it reflects poorly on them and harms their credibility
Usually, a trip to the OPCEN for most team guys is the equivalent of being publicly flogged. Or seen on a Honda. Same thing, effectively.

Although there are some people who pay for that sort of thing, I guess...
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Without a doubt, but a fella has to eat. It looks to me like a conglomeration of products on the web site, I would be shocked if Smokey wasn't a bit embarrassed by all of this. Maybe I am just covering for an old friend?

Oh, and send me back the Dale Carnegie Books, there's other folks in line for them. LOL
Hey, they're dirt cheap on Amazon if you buy them used.
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Thank you everyone for your rapid responses. I will inform the interested parties that, while the website may be a bit hyperbolic, Jim West is indeed a verified SF Soldier.


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