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Old 6 January 2012, 19:06
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John Giduck Dubious Claims and Frivolous Lawsuit Threats

John Giduck and Archangel Group have threatened SOCNET and the membership with a lawsuit for utilizing our freedom of expression and posting our opinions about John Giduck.

This is a classic template utilized by every person we have ever ferreted out for being fast and loose with their biographical data.

The initial threats came in from a Colorado law firm which claimed to represent John Giduck and Archangel a few months ago. They demanded the referenced threads be taken down and that SOCNET disclose the names of all members who posted and all the Administrators so that they could be named as defendants in a lawsuit. Their request was rejected and they were referred to terms of usage which stated they were more than welcome to get a subpoena if they thought they had a case.

Their claims were based on the idea that we posted defamatory statements about John Giduck and attempted to overtly cause Archangel Group to lose business. None of that is true. We know that the truth is an affirmative defense against defamation. A tongue in cheek quip about why someone didn’t show up to a seminar doesn’t rise to the level of trying to keep a company or individual from earning a living either.

John Giduck has followed this up by sending letters and having people called and given threats of “lawsuits”, and even “federal crimes”. His business partner John “Andy” Anderson, a retired SF SGM, even sent out emails stating they were suing and directly attacked retired and still serving SF soldiers with a diatribe woefully lacking in factual content and coherence. John “Andy” Anderson served honorably, but apparently has sold his honor and ethics since he is more than willing to attack men that he should be calling Brother over a civilian having his credentials questioned.

John Meyer, another man who served honorably in SF, current president of the Special Operations Association, apparently also forgot what honor means and is comfortable with using his position to side with Giduck over current and retired Special Forces NCO’s and Officers. He has assisted John Giduck by apparently disclosing private information about members of the SOA in order to allow Giduck to mail out threats to them. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence he wrote a nice foreword pitch for Giducks new book… The honorable warriors who are members of the SOA would be well served to investigate Meyers relationship with Giduck and how he involved the SOA.

Some female named “Sherri” calling from 720-935-1967 has been calling people and asking if they are SOCNET members and telling them they have a lawsuit. Curious why she is using a pay as you go number, though…

This is like an ass clown parade. Are they really so stupid that they think they can intimidate people into giving up their right to free expression?

These are the threads that have their panties in a bunch-

http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=6...ghlight=giduck

http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=9...ghlight=giduck

http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=1...ghlight=giduck

http://socnet.com/showthread.php?t=6...ghlight=giduck

A couple of important points bear repeating. We have a User Agreement. Giducks supporters violated it each time they registered. We asked them to debate the points. They refused and posted hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims. We didn’t delete posts to suppress anyone who supported him. We deleted the junk they posted that didn’t address the points. We still have those posts. We know exactly where and when each of those people registered from. We know they were very closely located to each other in Colorado. We know the person who registered with a .ru email and listed Russian as his location and “former Spetnaz Operator” was located in the exact same area in Colorado. We’re smarter than them.

Gidcuk and his followers appear to be under the impression that they can intimidate people who have done or are doing what he hasn’t or can’t. The operational experience of members of this site reaches back to the 1950’s up to the second these words are being read. Our vetted members are real and their reach and depth of experience, contacts and ability should not be taken lightly by anyone.

These men and women have done what Giduck hasn’t done. They have actually stepped into the breach and faced the enemy. Many know what it’s like to drop the hammer on an enemy of this Nation or to have the enemy drop the hammer on them or their buddies. Some are probably engaged in killing the enemy at this very moment. We have members who ran into the towers on 911 or crawled back into the Pentagon to help other Americans survive. Members have fought in every conflict, skirmish and special operation since Korea. We’re not going to sit idly by and allow someone who claims to have gone to some Russian Counter Terrorist training course threaten them or anyone else. Not one person outside of John Giducks circle can show proof of this. How weak would a Russian SMU be if it let a civilian, without any prior experience, attend the same training they put their specially screened and selected soldiers through? That doesn’t even past the laugh test.

We have reached into Russia and so far nothing has shown he attended anything other than an adventure camp. That’s right, an adventure camp. We even talked to the veterans group that is the legacy element of the unit that ran the training center. His defenders claim that you can’t just call up a Russian Special Forces unit and ask questions is laughable and lets them hide behind that façade. We will drill down even more if needed and put boots on the ground in Russia to investigate.

Giduck has allowed promotional material to be published that either directly states he is a former Special Forces soldier or allows the reader to draw their own conclusions. As usual the defense is I didn’t know or some version of that. He even listed himself as “soldier” on his own website. Right now our Special Forces brethren are working a FOIA request to the NPRC to verify this claim. There’s only one way to make a Soldier and by all accounts Giduck has never attended entry level training, let alone anything else that would allow him to make this claim.

Giduck is an attorney. Attorney’s make their living by being exact and showing great attention to detail. This is taken directly from his site. Who’s he trying to fool?

"This is the story of an event almost too horrible to imagine. John Giduck has the credentials to write this book - he is not only a former Special forces soldier and expert on Russian history and culture, but he was on the ground in Beslan within hours of the assault. His book describes in great detail everything from the terrorist plan to the aftermath. Perhaps most valuable are the sections devoted to the minute by minute review of the assault. It is a story of great herrorism, bureaucratic ineptitude, and utmost savagery. Anyone in law enforcement will draw many lessons from this book. And we need to study this event in detail...there is nothing about Beslan that could not happen in any town or city in our country. That should give us pause."
http://archangelgroup.org/content_ma...eslan-p-1.html

So here’s the deal, John Giduck.

We’re not backing off the opinions posted that you wouldn’t be our go to guy for CT training. We’re not backing off the opinion that you have no tactical or operational background that would make you our go to guy for any advice on CT tactics, techniques or procedures. We’re not backing off the opinion that you have never carried arms in combat or any conflict and the only time you’ve seen the elephant is at the zoo or in a book or TV. We’re not backing off the fact that we are not intimidated by your threats of legal action and that opinion is protected as is our right to express ourselves. We’re more than confident that truth is an affirmative defense against false claims of defamation.

If you want to sue someone, sue away. If your claim doesn’t get laughed off the docket, we’ll relish having you deposed under oath and asked your exact background for the public record. We’ll enjoy requiring yours and Archangel’s books be opened to show the claimed financial damage you say we purposely caused and then demand your phone records, email and other documents to see how you, John Anderson, John Myer and others have colluded to try and discredit honorable men and women who dared to question your operational experience.

We know that you are only trying to intimidate and want money. We read your own email where you tell Anderson “That would be a nice, deep pocket to satisfy a judgment with.” when you think the author WEB Griffin is a member of this site.

After we destroy you in that frivolous case, we will immediately file suit on you and anyone else who decides they want to jump in and force us to give up our Rights. The same Right many of us have spent the majority of our adult lives defending; unlike you. In my opinion you’re nothing more than a dude who is trying to not so subtlety pass himself off as something he isn’t. You weren’t on our radar and brought this issue to where it is now. Go sniff Andy’s jock and leave us alone or man up and sue. That’s the line in the sand.
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Old 6 January 2012, 19:31
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I've read the Giduck threads with great interest but have prudently stayed out of the discussion, due to the SF world being way outside of my lane.

That being said, I am now completely comfortable saying that Mr. Giduck is a no-talent hack buffoon, and is distinctly barking up the wrong tree. Hopefully he'll have an outbreak of common sense before he gets his ass handed to him in court.
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Old 6 January 2012, 19:37
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Dear John Getdicked, I live in Golden CO. Let me know when you're in the AO.

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Old 6 January 2012, 19:43
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Oh man, this is going to be a double suit if you bring him into this!
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Old 6 January 2012, 19:52
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I think this post by MikeC2W in one of the threads spoke volumes. There's no way the highlighted claim was posted unless it came from John Giduck himself.

http://socnet.com/showpost.php?p=105...5&postcount=13

Which makes Mr. Giduck a liar, as far as his credentials go. And that speaks to his credibility on just about everything else, too.
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Old 6 January 2012, 20:06
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I know nothing about the specifics of this situation and frankly don't want to know, but nothing gets my Irish ire up more than this phenomenon across the internet of forces/groups/individuals trying to intimidate members on sites such as this. This is not the first site where I've seen tactics used to attempt to chill free speech and it makes blood squirt out of my eyes.
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Old 6 January 2012, 20:10
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Oh, hell no . . .

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John Giduck and Archangel Group have threatened SOCNET and the membership with a lawsuit for utilizing our freedom of expression and posting our opinions about John Giduck.

John Giduck has followed this up by sending letters and having people called and given threats of “lawsuits”, and even “federal crimes”.

Giduck is an attorney. Attorney’s make their living by being exact and showing great attention to detail.
What a gaping asshole. Save all those letters and the envelopes they came in because if they can, in fact, be linked to John Patrick Giduck. Colorado Bar Number 14609 of Golden, CO, then Atty. Giduck might have some 'splainin to do. Giduck might end up disbarred.

Anyone who gets contacted by Giduck or his boyfriends should reply with either or both of the following, in whatever order suits you:

1. Tell Get-Dicked to read up on the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct, specifically section 4.5

2. Fvck you.
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Old 6 January 2012, 20:18
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What a gaping asshole. Save all those letters and the envelopes they came in because if they can, in fact, be linked to John Patrick Giduck. Colorado Bar Number 14609 of Golden, CO, then Atty. Giduck might have some 'splainin to do. Giduck might end up disbarred.

Anyone who gets contacted by Giduck or his boyfriends should reply with either or both of the following, in whatever order suits you:

1. Tell Get-Dicked to read up on the Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct, specifically section 4.5

2. Fvck you.
Might as well post up section 4.5 for all to see.

Doh!

http://www.cobar.org/index.cfm/ID/20...bID/22462/CETH


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(a) A lawyer shall not threaten criminal, administrative or disciplinary charges to obtain an advantage in a civil matter nor shall a lawyer present or participate in presenting criminal, administrative or disciplinary charges solely to obtain an advantage in a civil matter.

(b) It shall not be a violation of Rule 4.5 for a lawyer to notify another person in a civil matter that the lawyer reasonably believes that the other’s conduct may violate criminal, administrative or disciplinary rules or statutes.
So in effect, while Mr. Giduck and/or his attorneys are in violation of this section, it wouldn't be a violation for another lawyer to call them up and point out the legal trouble they're in for violating this section to begin with.

Anybody on Socnet members of the bar out in Colorado?
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Old 6 January 2012, 20:26
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I don't think anyone has to point out the potential violations. Get-Dick can read. How did I know this rule existed in Colorado when I have never been there? Because SOME form of this rule is out in every state and territory. They teach it in law school. It's not some obscure procedural ooops type thing.

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Old 6 January 2012, 20:40
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I love that when you google John Giduck, the first result is a post on here for him and the second one is a link to his book. That's probably why he has his panties in a bunch.

I think this guy deserves whatever comes his way. I don't know what is sicker the fact that he's making the claims he has, or the fact that he's going to try and take money from the real soldiers for calling him out on it...

Glad you guys called him out...
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Old 6 January 2012, 20:59
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What an ass. I guess the school resource officers didn't solve the problem for him? Take the scientology method: when you don't like what others say, sue them.
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Old 6 January 2012, 21:08
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Some hang out at a few bars from time to time. Which bar are you refering to?
If hanging at out at a few bars counted, I'd have been named to the Supreme Court years ago.

And the only reason that his book and website are coming in second is because of all the people he's been sending here to stir the pot. His name has metastisized, and it's now inoperable.
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Old 6 January 2012, 21:17
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I've read the Giduck threads with great interest but have prudently stayed out of the discussion, due to the SF world being way outside of my lane.

That being said, I am now completely comfortable saying that Mr. Giduck is a no-talent hack buffoon, and is distinctly barking up the wrong tree. Hopefully he'll have an outbreak of common sense before he gets his ass handed to him in court.
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FYI, I'd be happy to donate for a Socnet legal fund. If it becomes necessary...
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It never ceases to amaze me the reach socnet has. Fantastic, I don't think these idiots realize what they are up against.

As a side note, I read every thread on this guy... What a dick-douche (cross thread points?). He deserves every bit of the shit he has gotten here, and if I think that as a pos civilian then I can't imagine what you guys must think of him.
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