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Old 24 October 2005, 09:44
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PSYOP AIT Schedules

Hi, my name is Andrew. I'm currently enrolled in college, but I've finally decided that I'm ready to join the Armed Forces.

Here's my situation. The other day, when my recruiter and I were discussing MOS's, I told him that I was very interested in military intelligence. When we looked at the schedule of AIT classes, it at least appeared that there aren't any available for quite some time (I don't suspect he tricked me or anything, I'm just sayin'.). He repeatedly told me I could always get a transfer to MI at a later date, but I wasn't swayed. I don't have a problem with Bradley mechanics, I just wasn't prepared to be one. Dejected, I left the office.

In the meantime, he's been sending me emails about just how easy I could get transferred to the MOS of my choice, won't take any time at all, just come on down, we'll schedule you for MEPs, of course you won't have to sign up for anything once you're down there, just an overnight visit...

I like him a lot more at the beginning.

ANYWAY, searching online later, I found 37F. Psychological Operations. Everything I wanted to do in MI is right here! My enthusiasm to join the Army is returning, and I'm very excited at the possibility of becoming a part of PSYOP. I meet with my recruiter in a few days, however, so I can't find out if it's available until then.

My question to you guys is about the frequency of AIT for 37F. Do any of you guys have a clue on how often they hold it? I'd rather not have to wait until March to ship out to Basic because the next class is that far out.

And is there any equivelant to PSYOP in the other branches?

I wholeheartedly thank you guys for responding in advance.

P.S. I did the profile. :D

P.P.S (Note: I've already been down to the MEPs center once to do my ASVABs. Apparently I did very well. 99 percentile for the combine math and writing part, at least 110 for all other fields, so it's not scores that are holding me back.)
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Old 24 October 2005, 09:52
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There are a couple of threads on here already discussing the differences/advantages of MI v. PSYOP. Do a search, check it out. Lots of good info in those threads.

As for course dates, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you could search for those on the ATRRS web site here https://www.atrrs.army.mil/atrrscc/

PS - Yes you can, here it is for you, I did all the hard work already https://www.atrrs.army.mil/atrrscc/c...CIALIST&phase=
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Old 24 October 2005, 10:36
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Take it from someone who believed the recruiter when he said, "it's easy to switch MOS's later on"..... DON'T join based on that theory... Reclassing wasn't an option for me until the end of my 4 year enlistment when they wanted me to re-up.. Get what you want from the beginning..
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Old 24 October 2005, 17:46
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Agree with K9 totally. Get what you want before you join. AFAIK, there's no equivilant to PSYOP in any of the other branches though. We support the Marines and the Army tactically, and while there's psyop planners in the other branches, there's noone that does the analysis and has the KIND of fun we do.
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Old 24 October 2005, 23:10
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Hi, my name is Andrew. I'm currently enrolled in college, but I've finally decided that I'm ready to join the Armed Forces.
Just out of my own curiosity Andrew, are you dropping out of college, or graduating? Sorry if i'm out of line, but either way it seems we're in a similiar position.
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Old 25 October 2005, 07:44
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Well, dropping out, to me, implies that I can't keep up with the work academically. I like to think of it as kind of pausing my education for a few years.
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Old 25 October 2005, 07:50
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Haha damn. Exactly what I say.
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Old 25 October 2005, 08:22
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Out of curiosity, if you want Intel what is wrong with the other branches?
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Old 25 October 2005, 08:33
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What's wrong with the other branches? Nothing. But PSYOP is what I thought Intel was. Winning hearts and minds is what I want to do. I thought Intel was the only way to do that, but if PSYOP offers me that, I'm not going to argue.
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Old 25 October 2005, 08:43
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Gotcha. Thank you and good luck.
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Old 25 October 2005, 11:42
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PsyOp/CA AIT are held at Ft. Bragg all the time, the class is 13 weeks (supposed to expand) and usually there is no hold time between classes so it is basically going all the time. I finished in July 2004. So if you need any info on what it is like let me know. I have been back a few times with being a Role Player for the STX/FTX exercises, and working with SWC.

PSY OP/Civil Affairs are the same AIT, the only thing that changes are the classroom and your role in the STX/FTX. Dont get caught up in the CA/PSY Op rivalary, they need each other to operate. The regular Army thinks your the same anyways.

They PT together, Combat Water Survival, Land Nav, Ranges, sleep in the same barracks/rooms, drivers training, NVG training, negotiations training...etc...

Good luck with the L.I.N.E.S. training, log runs, water jog runs, I have never sweated more in my life.

Day 1, 5 mile run at 35 minute pace.
Day 3, Full BDU, rifle run
Day 5, Log Run, shoulders kill like a bastard.

Last Day.....feeling great that you completed one of the most intense AITs the Army has

after that....the rest of the Army thinking your like Public Affairs and had an easy AIT.

Email me with any questions or concerns
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Old 25 October 2005, 11:59
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With regards to the lovely folks at Recruiting Command, remember these two things:
IF IT IS NOT IN WRITING, IT DOES NOT EXIST.
If it is not specified in your contract IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Do not be afraid to walk out of MEPS if you cannot be guaranteed the school/MOS you want. It will become available in the near future.

The folks at USAREC have certain manpower voids they need to fill. That is where the priority goes, and rightly so. That is also where the best treats are if you select one of those MOS's. Filling these slots is a very difficult job. When you sign an enlistment contract, you are obligating yourself for job X, for X period of years. It's a contract. In order to change things on the contract, it has to be in the interest of BOTH parties. If the Army wants to change your MOS mid-contract, they have to make it worth your while to get you to agree. If you want to change things mid-contract, you have to be able to show the Army that it benefits the needs of the Army. And, not just, "I think I could be a benefit because I would be good at it." You would have to be filling a hole the Army desperately wants filled.

All that to say, mid-contract changes are very, VERY rare.

So you need to establish your priority: when you ship, or what you will be doing.
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Old 25 October 2005, 12:43
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PsyOp/CA AIT are held at Ft. Bragg all the time, the class is 13 weeks (supposed to expand) and usually there is no hold time between classes so it is basically going all the time. I finished in July 2004. So if you need any info on what it is like let me know. I have been back a few times with being a Role Player for the STX/FTX exercises, and working with SWC.

PSY OP/Civil Affairs are the same AIT, the only thing that changes are the classroom and your role in the STX/FTX. Dont get caught up in the CA/PSY Op rivalary, they need each other to operate. The regular Army thinks your the same anyways.

They PT together, Combat Water Survival, Land Nav, Ranges, sleep in the same barracks/rooms, drivers training, NVG training, negotiations training...etc...

Good luck with the L.I.N.E.S. training, log runs, water jog runs, I have never sweated more in my life.

Day 1, 5 mile run at 35 minute pace.
Day 3, Full BDU, rifle run
Day 5, Log Run, shoulders kill like a bastard.

Last Day.....feeling great that you completed one of the most intense AITs the Army has

after that....the rest of the Army thinking your like Public Affairs and had an easy AIT.

Email me with any questions or concerns
7 minute miles for five miles? That's a pretty good pace.
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Old 25 October 2005, 18:54
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Combat Water Survival
Oh crap, I swim like a 700 pound brick.
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Old 25 October 2005, 20:16
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Oh crap, I swim like a 700 pound brick.
ITs not a timed test. Back and forth a few times in a pool with webgear and a rifle doing the breast stroke is easy. trust me on this.
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Old 25 October 2005, 21:07
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I had no idea PSYOP AIT leaned to the physical side that much.
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Old 26 October 2005, 01:48
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it doesn't, all AIT's are like that. The PT was the same as I got at Ft. Gorden the first time I went through AIT, and the programs will be challenging but not impossible. It also varies depending on what the DS team feels like doing.. it sounds like overlord was on Team Owens to me...
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Old 26 October 2005, 03:27
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Hmm. I see a recruiter on Thursday so I'll keep all this in mind.
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Old 26 October 2005, 07:39
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God, if there's one thing I love, it's swimming. Lovelovelove swimming. The best time I probably had at Boy Scout camp besides raising hell across the site was mile swim award.

Oh right, we were talking about PSYOP. :D

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QP,

Do not be afraid to walk out of MEPS if you cannot be guaranteed the school/MOS you want. It will become available in the near future.
Trust me, I'm not afraid of walking out of MEPS. In fact, I even have a story about it, although I'm afraid I'm rapidly derailing my own thread. The quick version of the story is that my friend was at MEPS to join the Marines, had second thoughts, got threatened by the recruiters who had been very friendly to him only a little while ago, called me, I came down with the business card of my father's lawyer (Let's just say he's a fairly well known mob lawyer), and left with a very relieved friend sitting in the passenger's seat. It's actually a pretty neat story.

ANYWAY, it looks like there will be a spot for me in the April class.

Of course, with every nicely resolved situation, another question arises. Active Component 37F requires Airborne and Language Training. Is there any time inbetween AIT and Airborne to come back home for a day or two, or am I just being overly optimistic?
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Old 26 October 2005, 07:51
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I came down with the business card of my father's lawyer (Let's just say he's a fairly well known mob lawyer),
Your dad in the mob?
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